Sam's Journey (NTSC) experiencing many graphics issues

[macjohnmcc]

While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough graphics issues as to be unplayable.

Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me?

[randyrossi]

NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU?

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough graphics issues as to be unplayable. Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[macjohnmcc]

I have an Ultimate 1541 II+L with REU enabled.  On 4/30/2023 12:35:50 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU?

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough graphics issues as to be unplayable. Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[randyrossi]

Is it a native NTSC machine? I think the REU needs the dot clock signal to be in phase with the system clock. So if it is an NTSC machine, try changing the clock jumper to the mother board setting for NTSC . https://github.com/randyrossi/vicii-kawari/blob/main/doc/VARIANTS.md#mini-trion-board-rev-13--rev-14

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:28 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: I have an Ultimate 1541 II+L with REU enabled. On 4/30/2023 12:35:50 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU? On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: > While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's > Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough graphics > issues as to be unplayable. > > Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#21>, or unsubscribe > < https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > . > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message > ID: ***@***.***> > -- Randy Rossi - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ #21 (comment)], or unsubscribe [ https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX36M7HHA6MXCSMAWKLXD2PHNANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ ]. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKC6HG4XAYXE2Q5E2S3XD24OZANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[macjohnmcc]

The machine is NTSC from birth but I will check that setting. On 4/30/2023 3:09:19 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: Is it a native NTSC machine? I think the REU needs the dot clock signal to be in phase with the system clock. So if it is an NTSC machine, try changing the clock jumper to the mother board setting for NTSC . https://github.com/randyrossi/vicii-kawari/blob/main/doc/VARIANTS.md#mini-trion-board-rev-13--rev-14

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:28 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: I have an Ultimate 1541 II+L with REU enabled. On 4/30/2023 12:35:50 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU? On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: > While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's > Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough graphics > issues as to be unplayable. > > Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#21>, or unsubscribe > < https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > . > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message > ID: ***@***.***> > -- Randy Rossi - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ #21 (comment)], or unsubscribe [ https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX36M7HHA6MXCSMAWKLXD2PHNANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ ]. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKC6HG4XAYXE2Q5E2S3XD24OZANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[randyrossi]

Also, are you using static RAM or DRAM?

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:17 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: The machine is NTSC from birth but I will check that setting. On 4/30/2023 3:09:19 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: Is it a native NTSC machine? I think the REU needs the dot clock signal to be in phase with the system clock. So if it is an NTSC machine, try changing the clock jumper to the mother board setting for NTSC . https://github.com/randyrossi/vicii-kawari/blob/main/doc/VARIANTS.md#mini-trion-board-rev-13--rev-14 On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:28 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: > I have an Ultimate 1541 II+L with REU enabled. > > On 4/30/2023 12:35:50 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: > NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU? > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> > wrote: > > > While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's > > Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough > graphics > > issues as to be unplayable. > > > > Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? > > > > — > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > <#21>, or unsubscribe > > < > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > > > . > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message > > ID: ***@***.***> > > > > > -- > Randy Rossi > > - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming > things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ > #21 (comment) ], > or unsubscribe [ > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX36M7HHA6MXCSMAWKLXD2PHNANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > ]. > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > < #21 (comment) >, > or unsubscribe > < https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKC6HG4XAYXE2Q5E2S3XD24OZANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > . > You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > -- Randy Rossi - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ #21 (comment)], or unsubscribe [ https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX5NLJKP4DBMW2X3JOLXD3BG7ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ ]. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGQC3XCX4Q7QBXQK73XD3CGJANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[macjohnmcc]

I don't know how the Ultimate II+ handles RAM if Dynamic or Static but the 64 itself has original dynamic RAM chips. On 4/30/2023 3:34:03 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: Also, are you using static RAM or DRAM?

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:17 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: The machine is NTSC from birth but I will check that setting. On 4/30/2023 3:09:19 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: Is it a native NTSC machine? I think the REU needs the dot clock signal to be in phase with the system clock. So if it is an NTSC machine, try changing the clock jumper to the mother board setting for NTSC . https://github.com/randyrossi/vicii-kawari/blob/main/doc/VARIANTS.md#mini-trion-board-rev-13--rev-14 On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:28 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: > I have an Ultimate 1541 II+L with REU enabled. > > On 4/30/2023 12:35:50 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: > NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU? > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> > wrote: > > > While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing Sam's > > Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough > graphics > > issues as to be unplayable. > > > > Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? > > > > — > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > <#21>, or unsubscribe > > < > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > > > . > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message > > ID: ***@***.***> > > > > > -- > Randy Rossi > > - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming > things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ > #21 (comment) ], > or unsubscribe [ > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX36M7HHA6MXCSMAWKLXD2PHNANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > ]. > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > < #21 (comment) >, > or unsubscribe > < https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKC6HG4XAYXE2Q5E2S3XD24OZANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > . > You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > -- Randy Rossi - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ #21 (comment)], or unsubscribe [ https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX5NLJKP4DBMW2X3JOLXD3BG7ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ ]. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGQC3XCX4Q7QBXQK73XD3CGJANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[randyrossi]

Did you get a chance to try using the motherboard clock?

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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 5:03 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: I don't know how the Ultimate II+ handles RAM if Dynamic or Static but the 64 itself has original dynamic RAM chips. On 4/30/2023 3:34:03 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: Also, are you using static RAM or DRAM? On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:17 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: > The machine is NTSC from birth but I will check that setting. > On 4/30/2023 3:09:19 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: > Is it a native NTSC machine? I think the REU needs the dot clock signal to > be in phase with the system clock. So if it is an NTSC machine, try > changing the clock jumper to the mother board setting for NTSC . > > > https://github.com/randyrossi/vicii-kawari/blob/main/doc/VARIANTS.md#mini-trion-board-rev-13--rev-14 > > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:28 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> wrote: > > > I have an Ultimate 1541 II+L with REU enabled. > > > > On 4/30/2023 12:35:50 PM, randyrossi ***@***.***> wrote: > > NTSC Sam's Journey requires an REU, right? Are you using an REU? > > > > On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 12:00 PM macjohnmcc ***@***.***> > > wrote: > > > > > While I have not played it with the original chip I started playing > Sam's > > > Journey on my C64 with the Kawari (1.5 version) and it has enough > > graphics > > > issues as to be unplayable. > > > > > > Does anybody else have this experience or is it just me? > > > > > > — > > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > > <#21>, or unsubscribe > > > < > > > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGUPCINICOP553773TXD2EC5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > > > > > . > > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this > thread.Message > > > ID: ***@***.***> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Randy Rossi > > > > - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming > > things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." > > > > — > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ > > > #21 (comment) > ], > > or unsubscribe [ > > > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX36M7HHA6MXCSMAWKLXD2PHNANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > ]. > > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: > > ***@***.***> > > > > — > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > < > #21 (comment) > >, > > or unsubscribe > > < > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKC6HG4XAYXE2Q5E2S3XD24OZANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > > > . > > You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: > > ***@***.***> > > > > > -- > Randy Rossi > > - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming > things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ > #21 (comment) ], > or unsubscribe [ > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX5NLJKP4DBMW2X3JOLXD3BG7ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > ]. > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > > — > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > < #21 (comment) >, > or unsubscribe > < https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKGQC3XCX4Q7QBXQK73XD3CGJANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ > > . > You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: > ***@***.***> > -- Randy Rossi - "There are only two things that are hard about computer science; Naming things, Cache Invalidation, and Off-by-one errors." — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub [ #21 (comment)], or unsubscribe [ https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AEG3HX2XRGRMHT5CIUS2GTLXD3EDXANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ ]. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***> — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#21 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAI3HKFBS3HEV6XGT77WXO3XD3HQ5ANCNFSM6AAAAAAXRAFYJQ> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

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[CqaZ80]

Sam's Journey when run on a cartridge (CRT image, Ultimate, Kungfuflash, Backbit, even the original SJ game cartridge ) over an NTSC machine does not strictly need to use an REU, nevertheless, some minor glitches popups, it's not a big deal... game runs perfectly well.